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Written by Denis Scott Chabrol   
Sunday, 19 February 2012 17:30
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Dr. Edward Greene

Caribbean countries, faced with potential political and religious fall-out, plan to take a regional approach in scrapping laws against buggery and prostitution by 2015, according to a senior United Nations (UN) official.

Most of the former British colonies that are Caricom member-nations have been coming under increasing international pressure to abolish those laws that also include prohibiting cross-dressing.

Politicians remain wary of losing votes from, among others, the religious communities and other people who argue against erasing those laws for moral and ethical reasons.

UN Special Envoy on HIV/AIDS to the Caribbean, Dr. Edward Greene, however, notes that at least 20 percent of some Caribbean countries are gays, a cultural shift that must be considered.

Experts like Greene say those laws force vulnerable communities like commercial sex workers and Men who have Sex with Men (MSM) to go underground and so being unable to access HIV education, diagnosis care and treatment. Human rights advocates also believe that pursuing those lifestyles is a basic human right.

Acknowledging that moral, religious and political reasons have forestalled the revision, revamping and rejection of the century-old laws, he said the Caribbean plans to take a two-pronged approach. That strategy, he explained, would include rallying support from Champions for Change such as vulnerable groups, Faith Based Organisations and women’s groups as well as capitalizing on the convention that regional laws are more easily acceptable. Experts also intend to produce research on the impact of decriminalization in other countries. In that way, he explained, politicians in each jurisdiction would be better insulated from criticisms.

“I think what we have to do is to project a regional position on revamping the laws which would be in tune with international trends and enunciate them in such a way that we save national politicians from having to put forward these views as if they were theirs,” said Greene, a former Caricom Assistant Secretary General for Human and Social Development (COHSOD).

The UN official expects that Caribbean countries will gradually overhaul their laws in time for 2015 when the world is expected to achieve the Millennium Development Goals (MDGs) in keeping with the principles of universal access and equity. “I believe we can incrementally move towards the position of revamping the laws.”

“It might be a long struggle in some countries but once we get a couple of countries to move in a more enlightened way, I think we can move the process along,” he said on a recent edition of Demerara Waves Internet Radio's programme, Periscope,' that you can go here to listen.

The Pan- Caribbean Partnership Against HIV and AIDS (PANCAP) has been drafting model legislation, he said, for the past five years but “I think very often the thing is become tied up in politics.”

The UN Envoy took a shot at then Jamaican Prime Minister, Bruce Golding who had vowed that gays would not have been allowed to join his cabinet. “To deny a gay a rightful place in the politics is to go against the cultural trends that are developing,” said Greene.

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-3 #1 Carl 2012-02-19 18:36
Notwithstanding the convenient moral sensibilities of those who routinely and willfully violate the ten commandments and other religious creeds, it is my hope that Caricom nations would sooner rather than later abolish these abominable inhumane laws. For I would continue to argue as long as I live, that no government or society has the right to legally prevent mutually consenting adults from privately engaging in sexual acts that affect no one else.

If religious zealots or convenient moralists have an issue with such acts, then they should leave it to God/Allah/or whomever to resolve on Judgement Day.

And just in case you are wondering, we can't leave murderers, thieves, rapists, and other such persons to be taken care of only on Judgement Day, because their destructive actions always involve and affect people who never agree to be the victims of murderers, et al. Not to mention the obvious fact that living would become an unbearable game of Russian roulette.

We face no such dangers from abolishing those inhumane buggery laws that serve no purpose other than to empower the ignorant and self-righteous to engage in wanton and uncondemned violence on gays.
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+10 #2 Vidyaratha Kissoon 2012-02-19 19:04
PM Portia Simpson Miller has moved on from Bruce Golding and taken a different stand.. it was brave of her and she did not lose her elections. Hope other Caribbean politicians do the same
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-5 #3 ashley singh 2012-02-19 19:06
Buggery is abominable. The laws against it should never be abolished. It is a sin. Homosexuality should not be tolerated. It is immoral.
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-2 #4 Michael Hooper 2012-02-19 20:38
God has already declared His objective standard of right and wrong. People who consider the legalizing of homosexual behaviours and prostitution are standing diabolically opposed to the standard of God. I will continue to stand with those who hold, "we ought to obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29) . I will continue to speak out against the wrongness of the abominable things some men are expressing high regards for. I do not hate persons who are homosexuals. I merely oppose their behaviour because that lifestyle is contrary to good morality.
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-13 #5 vishal 2012-02-19 20:43
no i will naver give same sex right it again god. god make adam and eve not adam and stave
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+4 #6 Charles 2012-02-19 21:46
Why do we have to bend to what they considered "trend"? What is natural about men having sex with men? Nothing. Any law must protect our "natural" rights. Gays and Lesbions are NOT natural acts. Do we see the lower species of animals doing that nonsense? Let us at least learn from these dumb beasts. They are now higher than man in our natural laws.
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-2 #7 Frank 2012-02-20 05:45
Most single men would not say no when they could get into threesome with two lesbos, or in having a harem. So if men wish they could be a woman, it is sad at most, but perhaps they do not feel like a men? The entire mass of people that is against a change of law, only ruminants without consideration. If in public or behind hidden doors. It is happening and it always was. In historic rome, in nowadays churches.
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-5 #8 Liberated 2012-02-20 08:17
"Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness , sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them." Romans 1:24-32
"So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand." Luke 21:31

It's only another sign of the times!
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+6 #9 De facto 2012-02-20 08:33
Why does man have to condemn another’s sexual preferences? I am saying to each his own! I am straight but I am saying let consenting adults have their fun. The bible and other "holy Books" were written by religious zealots! These writings are not necessarily the truth. Is it criminal to accede to their biological urges? If the need and feelings are mutual let them be happy.
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+5 #10 De facto 2012-02-20 08:37
Quoting Charles:
Why do we have to bend to what they considered "trend"? What is natural about men having sex with men? Nothing. Any law must protect our "natural" rights.

Who are you to say what is natural? How do you know what you engage in is natural? The bible? FYI it was written by persons you cann!ot cross examine! It is hearsay
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+3 #11 Silver Dragon 2012-02-20 09:00
"... at least 20 percent of some Caribbean countries are gays"? Which countries are these, and where did this statistic come from?
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+1 #12 Vanessa 2012-02-20 09:41
The same white people who indoctrinate their teachings of the bible into the minds of slaves(and we know who they were) are now trying to indoctrinate in conflict with the very bible that homosexuality is right or a okay living standard. Cocaine is white and destructive and so are these white people. Come now caribbean people liberate our minds and don't be paralysed by these brain washers.
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+3 #13 VeeGee 2012-02-20 10:35
And how will the faith-based organisations who are Champions help to change the laws?
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+7 #14 Rohan 2012-02-20 12:18
Homosexuality is as natural as breathing. There are many, many species who are gay and/or bisexual in nature. Do the research, Charles, and be prepared to deal with the TRUTH.
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-5 #15 Overseas Att. 2012-02-20 13:21
These Political Leaders who goes for GAY Laws for Political Gains are Demons & Devils,Woman must be Woman, Man must be man not man be Woman, this world Gone out of Context.
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-4 #16 Bernice Walcott 2012-02-20 13:50
Everyone knows in his or her guts that the homosexual act is unnatural, unhealthy and ungodly.It is forbidden by Almighty God and called an Abomination..(See Leviticus 20:13 & Romans1:21onwards)What people may not know is that same-sex attraction can be cured thru' the Blood of Jesus, like any other sin if repented of.(1Cor.6:9-11).God forbid that Caribbean leaders be allowed to constitutionali se this evil.And all as conditionalitie s for funding!!!!!Let us not sell our souls for filthy lucre!!
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-2 #17 corbin 2012-02-20 13:57
i wonder what would happen to bar rat he would have to go USA where gay rite is legal
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+5 #18 Pat Robinson 2012-02-20 15:34
Quoting Charles:
Why do we have to bend to what they considered "trend"? What is natural about men having sex with men? Nothing. Any law must protect our "natural" rights. Gays and Lesbions are NOT natural acts. Do we see the lower species of animals doing that nonsense? Let us at least learn from these dumb beasts. They are now higher than man in our natural laws.

Well, actually, a number of the "lower Species of Animals" DO engage in what we call homosexual acts. You just haven't been reading about them - but the scientific literature us out there and I'm sure a Google search will find a host of such papers for you. Moreover, the anti-homosexual parts of the Bible are not in those most basic of God's Laws - the Ten Commandments - and how many of THOSE, other "Thou shalt not kill" do we legislate against - coveting your neighbour's wife? Having no other gods? honouring your father and mother? I think not. Not making a graven image or a likeness of anything on earth? What then happens to all those photographs and movies and statues, paintings etc, etc, etc that we love? And as for the holiness of the Sabbath day - we can't even agree on which day we should celebrate the sabbath; and holiness seems to be the last thing we're thinking of on either Saturday or Sunday. The fact is that we are very selective about which bits of any of our religious scriptures our laws should ignore and which prohibitions should be enshrined in law. And what we accept or ignore is, unfortunately often based on our pre-existing prejudices which we then justify by referring to the bits of the Bible (if you area a Christian - but adherents of other religions do it with their scriptures too) which align with your viewpoint. The problem arises when someone wants to impose his/her viewpoint on me because "it's in the Bible", when there are so many other things in the Bible that I wish people would follow.
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-3 #19 Heru Ptah 2012-02-20 15:40
Misplaced energy and resources at the behest of our colonial masters. The focus must be on training (home, school, work, religious place ,political place, Caricom and yes UN) boys to be boys (men) nothing else...simple! Can we study the factors of deviant behaviour and reverse the effects?
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+8 #20 Carlton 2012-02-20 15:47
There are gay animals ... penguins. If we take a moral stance then it should include all.
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0 #21 Roger Williams 2012-02-20 18:52
We had addressed the issue in the online article "The Case Against Pancap and the Decriminalizati on of Homosexuality" (http://www.scribd.com/doc/17685588/The-Case-Against-PANCAP-and-the-Decriminalizati on-of-Homosexuality ).

The facts therein still stand!

One of the major objectives of that document was to to expose readers in the Caribbean to the solid evidence hitherto avoided by the UN, PANCAP and now Mr. Greene ...and to show that almost every argument posted by pro-gay or gay-militant contributors will,upon closer examination, be seen to have engaged in outright lies, twisted logic, wholesale efforts at deception,or some subtle combination of the three.

Greene's latest comments are ... illustrative ... of the position that the UN has unfortunately taken on this issue. The position ignores the evidence, and differs somewhat from his comments while he was at the CARICOM Secretariat, when he advised categorically that "behaviour-modification" should be a feature of the way forward epidemiological ly rather than "bahaviour-accommodation".

Green, for example, will never ... sadly ... offer to lend his or the UN's considerable talent to answering Kathleen Melonakos' question "Why Isn't Homosexuality Considered a Disorder on the Basis of Its Medical Consequences?" (http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/1961/13/61130 ).

All Caribbean nations should be guided by the words of lawyer Roger J Magnuson:

"... The political proposals advanced by an increasingly aggressive group of gay activists ...merit and demand serious discussion and rational analysis. Unfortunately, gay rightsproposals have often received neither. The seriousness of the issues has not been matchedby a seriousness of analysis. There has been a curious inversion: a high level of publicpolicy interest; a low level of public policy debate ..." (Magnuson, p. 137' "Are Gay Rights Right? Making Sense of the Controversy!" )

"The Case Against Pancap and the Decriminalizati on of Homosexuality ( http://www.scribd.com/doc/17685588/The-Case-Against-PANCAP-and-the-Decriminalizati on-of-Homosexuality ) and "The Case Against Crossdressing or Transgenderism in Guyana" (http://www.scribd.com/doc/27698238/The-Case-Against-Cross-Dressing-or-Transgender-ism-in-Guyana-UPDATED ) represents an effort to provide citizens of the Caribbean with the information they need need to make responsible decisions.

It seems unfortunate that that Mr. Greene and the UN will not be so inclined in stewardship to their responsibility to the Caribbean people!
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+1 #22 Overseas Att. 2012-02-20 19:11
One of America X President Jimmy Carter mentions in one of his Books, the Bible will remain Unchange not converted Buggery.
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-1 #23 what? 2012-02-20 19:35
Y is it that we still have to live like slaves in our own country bound by the laws of the UN and those other lawless countries. look at it carefully the chains are gone from our hands and ankles but they still try to keep us bound. Lets say that the stats of 20 % is right which we know its not. Then y is the 80% have to bend over for the 20% besides if we spend the same time and energy to educate and train these gays how to be a man then it will have a greater impact in our homes.
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-2 #24 shameer 2012-02-20 20:02
we should leberated our mind and serve GOD ONLY and not MAN.
These foreign masters want to impose on us their policies .firstly their are trying it on poorer countries so as to accumulate a large amount of counties and then their will try it on some muslim countries.all GOD fearing peoples should stay together irrespective of which religions you belong to and do the right thing.those who are fighting for these people are actually worst that the actual gay and lesbians.
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0 #25 Rovster 2012-02-20 20:32
The long and short of it all; it should not be allowed. More will be contributed on this topic. The Caribbean People do not have to condone or accept such changes of law as have been done by some irresponsible countries most of whose younger generations have been brought up without proper supervision, care, good morals, etc. There may be the exceptional cases but these should be welcomed and not shunned from society. Marriage is sacred from time immemorial and must be between a man and a woman...period.
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+2 #26 Rovster 2012-02-20 20:44
Quoting Vidyaratha Kissoon:
PM Portia Simpson Miller has moved on from Bruce Golding and taken a different stand.. it was brave of her and she did not lose her elections. Hope other Caribbean politicians do the same


Bruce Golding was/is right in his stance. No wonder the young generations, many of whom are irresponsible and left to fend on their own because of illegal drugs, too many uncalled divorces, promiscuity etc.
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-1 #27 sawn 2012-02-20 22:22
To remove to those restrictions and permitting gay liberalization is to incur God's Judgement,Poor economic growth, human stagnation and lawlessness.I personally condemn such contemptuous act or failure of appreciating who God made you to be. God only made man and woman not persons who are unclear or are unthankful to God for making them a man or a woman. A man cannot be a woman nor a woman cannot be a man.Same sex relations is abomanable. I am honour God's words nd if i have to die for righteousness in our land i will.
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+1 #28 The truth 2012-02-21 03:17
Charles - there are gay animals in the nature. From dolphins to penguins, Zebras to dogs. Use google you unintelligent person you.

Quoting Charles:
Why do we have to bend to what they considered "trend"? What is natural about men having sex with men? Nothing. Any law must protect our "natural" rights. Gays and Lesbions are NOT natural acts. Do we see the lower species of animals doing that nonsense? Let us at least learn from these dumb beasts. They are now higher than man in our natural laws.
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0 #29 Emma 2012-02-21 07:47
This behaviour has been going on for years.You think your man is so holy and good and he shows you a loving and caring face when he is in the home.

Just see him after hours he is with the Homo clan enjoying themselves,even going on vacation together.

You put your young boys in a religious school and look what happens to them! I say pass the bill soon.

The women too are following suit,many Lesbos are on the prowl out there,young ,old and middling.
The bill is already passed for them.
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-2 #30 zoom 2012-02-21 17:14
Gays ... lesbians is unnatural... it's an abomination ... look at the nations and people who use to indulge in this act in the past??? Romans, Greeks, etc... it was the norm apparently, nevertheless against the BIBLE and should be out ruled.
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-1 #31 Roger Williams 2012-02-21 22:02
Why Isn't DemeraraWaves posting this comment?

We had addressed the issue in the online article "The Case Against Pancap and the Decriminalizati on of Homosexuality" (http://www.scribd.com/doc/17685588/The-Case-Against-PANCAP-and-the-Decriminalizati on-of-Homosexuality ).

The facts therein still stand!

One of the major objectives of that document was to to expose readers in the Caribbean to the solid evidence hitherto avoided by the UN, PANCAP and now Mr. Greene ... and to show that almost every argument posted by pro-gay or gay-militant contributors will,upon closer examination, be seen to have engaged in outright lies, twisted logic, wholesale efforts at deception,or some subtle combination of the three.

Greene's latest comments are ... illustrative ... of the position that the UN has unfortunately taken on this issue. The position ignores the evidence, and differs somewhat from his comments while he was at the CARICOM Secretariat, when he advised categorically that "behaviour-modification" should be a feature of the way forward epidemiological ly rather than "bahaviour-accommodation".

Green, for example, will never ... sadly ... offer to lend his or the UN's considerable talent to answering Kathleen Melonakos' question "Why Isn't Homosexuality Considered a Disorder on the Basis of Its Medical Consequences?" (http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/1961/13/61130 ).

All Caribbean nations should be guided by the words of lawyer Roger J Magnuson:

"... The political proposals advanced by an increasingly aggressive group of gay activists ...merit and demand serious discussion and rational analysis. Unfortunately, gay rights proposals have often received neither. The seriousness of the issues has not been matchedby a seriousness of analysis. There has been a curious inversion: a high level of public policy interest; a low level of public policy debate ..." (Magnuson, p. 137' "Are Gay Rights Right? Making Sense of the Controversy!" )

"The Case Against Pancap and the Decriminalizati on of Homosexuality ( http://www.scribd.com/doc/17685588/The-Case-Against-PANCAP-and-the-Decriminalizati on-of-Homosexuality ) and "The Case Against Crossdressing or Transgenderism in Guyana" (http://www.scribd.com/doc/27698238/The-Case-Against-Cross-Dressing-or-Transgender-ism-in-Guyana-UPDATED ) represents an effort to provide citizens of the Caribbean with the information they need need to make responsible decisions.

It seems unfortunate that that Mr. Greene and the UN will not be so inclined in their stewardship to their responsibility to the Caribbean people!
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-1 #32 Rajesh 2012-02-22 13:11
What IS "NATURAL" ABOUT THE "INSTRUMENT OF LIFE" BEING INSERTED INTO A SEPTIC PASSAGE? ABOMINABLE!

CITIZENS OF THE CARIBBEAN ARE AGAIN BEING BETRAYED BY "OUR DIPLOMATS"
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0 #33 OVERSEAS ATT. 2012-02-22 22:31
This Gays, Buggeries, & Prostitutions around the World is immoral to modern societies.
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-1 #34 Fred 2012-02-23 02:14
Laws are put in place to show us the right track. The increase in breaking the law, does not make the law void, it simply makes plain that we have a tendency to make wrong choices.

God holds the plumb line of morality. Men can't hold it since we are always shifting. Homosexuality may seem harmless to a society, however, homosexuals are a part of our society and as such society is affected by their actions. It may not hurt anyone walking outside their houses, but what is going on behind closed doors is causing damage to those involved. They/we need the law to show us that there is really an 'alternative lifestyle' to all our deviant behaviours. Homosexuality is not a viable alternative.
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0 #35 OVERSEAS ATT. 2012-02-24 16:26
My openion is that political preachers who upholds Gays laws, should change themselves and families to Homosexual,it will work well for them first, than to betrayed a nation for their lavish lifestyle.
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0 #36 Overseas Att. 2012-02-27 14:25
Honesty is the Best Policy, we learnt the Scripture in School also the Preasts from the Bible it never read Gays are Good ,Why preach Buggaries ,Prostitutions, 'Animals are not Mankind' are different Creatures that why it is name Animals.This clearly shows that even the Churches And Preachers gone AIDS Battieside Sins.
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