| Caribbean plans regional approach to abolish gay laws | | Print | |
| Written by Denis Scott Chabrol |
| Sunday, 19 February 2012 17:30 |
Dr. Edward Greene
Most of the former British colonies that are Caricom member-nations have been coming under increasing international pressure to abolish those laws that also include prohibiting cross-dressing. Politicians remain wary of losing votes from, among others, the religious communities and other people who argue against erasing those laws for moral and ethical reasons. UN Special Envoy on HIV/AIDS to the Caribbean, Dr. Edward Greene, however, notes that at least 20 percent of some Experts like Greene say those laws force vulnerable communities like commercial sex workers and Men who have Sex with Men (MSM) to go underground and so being unable to access HIV education, diagnosis care and treatment. Human rights advocates also believe that pursuing those lifestyles is a basic human right. Acknowledging that moral, religious and political reasons have forestalled the revision, revamping and rejection of the century-old laws, he said the “I think what we have to do is to project a regional position on revamping the laws which would be in tune with international trends and enunciate them in such a way that we save national politicians from having to put forward these views as if they were theirs,” said Greene, a former Caricom Assistant Secretary General for Human and Social Development (COHSOD). The UN official expects that “It might be a long struggle in some countries but once we get a couple of countries to move in a more enlightened way, I think we can move the process along,” he said on a recent edition of Demerara Waves Internet Radio's programme, Periscope,' that you can go here to listen. The Pan- The UN Envoy took a shot at then Jamaican Prime Minister, Bruce Golding who had vowed that gays would not have been allowed to join his cabinet. “To deny a gay a rightful place in the politics is to go against the cultural trends that are developing,” said Greene. |
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If religious zealots or convenient moralists have an issue with such acts, then they should leave it to God/Allah/or whomever to resolve on Judgement Day.
And just in case you are wondering, we can't leave murderers, thieves, rapists, and other such persons to be taken care of only on Judgement Day, because their destructive actions always involve and affect people who never agree to be the victims of murderers, et al. Not to mention the obvious fact that living would become an unbearable game of Russian roulette.
We face no such dangers from abolishing those inhumane buggery laws that serve no purpose other than to empower the ignorant and self-righteous to engage in wanton and uncondemned violence on gays.
For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness , sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them." Romans 1:24-32
"So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand." Luke 21:31
It's only another sign of the times!
Who are you to say what is natural? How do you know what you engage in is natural? The bible? FYI it was written by persons you cann!ot cross examine! It is hearsay
Well, actually, a number of the "lower Species of Animals" DO engage in what we call homosexual acts. You just haven't been reading about them - but the scientific literature us out there and I'm sure a Google search will find a host of such papers for you. Moreover, the anti-homosexual parts of the Bible are not in those most basic of God's Laws - the Ten Commandments - and how many of THOSE, other "Thou shalt not kill" do we legislate against - coveting your neighbour's wife? Having no other gods? honouring your father and mother? I think not. Not making a graven image or a likeness of anything on earth? What then happens to all those photographs and movies and statues, paintings etc, etc, etc that we love? And as for the holiness of the Sabbath day - we can't even agree on which day we should celebrate the sabbath; and holiness seems to be the last thing we're thinking of on either Saturday or Sunday. The fact is that we are very selective about which bits of any of our religious scriptures our laws should ignore and which prohibitions should be enshrined in law. And what we accept or ignore is, unfortunately often based on our pre-existing prejudices which we then justify by referring to the bits of the Bible (if you area a Christian - but adherents of other religions do it with their scriptures too) which align with your viewpoint. The problem arises when someone wants to impose his/her viewpoint on me because "it's in the Bible", when there are so many other things in the Bible that I wish people would follow.
The facts therein still stand!
One of the major objectives of that document was to to expose readers in the Caribbean to the solid evidence hitherto avoided by the UN, PANCAP and now Mr. Greene ...and to show that almost every argument posted by pro-gay or gay-militant contributors will,upon closer examination, be seen to have engaged in outright lies, twisted logic, wholesale efforts at deception,or some subtle combination of the three.
Greene's latest comments are ... illustrative ... of the position that the UN has unfortunately taken on this issue. The position ignores the evidence, and differs somewhat from his comments while he was at the CARICOM Secretariat, when he advised categorically that "behaviour-modification" should be a feature of the way forward epidemiological ly rather than "bahaviour-accommodation".
Green, for example, will never ... sadly ... offer to lend his or the UN's considerable talent to answering Kathleen Melonakos' question "Why Isn't Homosexuality Considered a Disorder on the Basis of Its Medical Consequences?" (http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/1961/13/61130 ).
All Caribbean nations should be guided by the words of lawyer Roger J Magnuson:
"... The political proposals advanced by an increasingly aggressive group of gay activists ...merit and demand serious discussion and rational analysis. Unfortunately, gay rightsproposals have often received neither. The seriousness of the issues has not been matchedby a seriousness of analysis. There has been a curious inversion: a high level of publicpolicy interest; a low level of public policy debate ..." (Magnuson, p. 137' "Are Gay Rights Right? Making Sense of the Controversy!" )
"The Case Against Pancap and the Decriminalizati on of Homosexuality ( http://www.scribd.com/doc/17685588/The-Case-Against-PANCAP-and-the-Decriminalizati on-of-Homosexuality ) and "The Case Against Crossdressing or Transgenderism in Guyana" (http://www.scribd.com/doc/27698238/The-Case-Against-Cross-Dressing-or-Transgender-ism-in-Guyana-UPDATED ) represents an effort to provide citizens of the Caribbean with the information they need need to make responsible decisions.
It seems unfortunate that that Mr. Greene and the UN will not be so inclined in stewardship to their responsibility to the Caribbean people!
These foreign masters want to impose on us their policies .firstly their are trying it on poorer countries so as to accumulate a large amount of counties and then their will try it on some muslim countries.all GOD fearing peoples should stay together irrespective of which religions you belong to and do the right thing.those who are fighting for these people are actually worst that the actual gay and lesbians.
Bruce Golding was/is right in his stance. No wonder the young generations, many of whom are irresponsible and left to fend on their own because of illegal drugs, too many uncalled divorces, promiscuity etc.
Quoting Charles:
Just see him after hours he is with the Homo clan enjoying themselves,even going on vacation together.
You put your young boys in a religious school and look what happens to them! I say pass the bill soon.
The women too are following suit,many Lesbos are on the prowl out there,young ,old and middling.
The bill is already passed for them.
We had addressed the issue in the online article "The Case Against Pancap and the Decriminalizati on of Homosexuality" (http://www.scribd.com/doc/17685588/The-Case-Against-PANCAP-and-the-Decriminalizati on-of-Homosexuality ).
The facts therein still stand!
One of the major objectives of that document was to to expose readers in the Caribbean to the solid evidence hitherto avoided by the UN, PANCAP and now Mr. Greene ... and to show that almost every argument posted by pro-gay or gay-militant contributors will,upon closer examination, be seen to have engaged in outright lies, twisted logic, wholesale efforts at deception,or some subtle combination of the three.
Greene's latest comments are ... illustrative ... of the position that the UN has unfortunately taken on this issue. The position ignores the evidence, and differs somewhat from his comments while he was at the CARICOM Secretariat, when he advised categorically that "behaviour-modification" should be a feature of the way forward epidemiological ly rather than "bahaviour-accommodation".
Green, for example, will never ... sadly ... offer to lend his or the UN's considerable talent to answering Kathleen Melonakos' question "Why Isn't Homosexuality Considered a Disorder on the Basis of Its Medical Consequences?" (http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/1961/13/61130 ).
All Caribbean nations should be guided by the words of lawyer Roger J Magnuson:
"... The political proposals advanced by an increasingly aggressive group of gay activists ...merit and demand serious discussion and rational analysis. Unfortunately, gay rights proposals have often received neither. The seriousness of the issues has not been matchedby a seriousness of analysis. There has been a curious inversion: a high level of public policy interest; a low level of public policy debate ..." (Magnuson, p. 137' "Are Gay Rights Right? Making Sense of the Controversy!" )
"The Case Against Pancap and the Decriminalizati on of Homosexuality ( http://www.scribd.com/doc/17685588/The-Case-Against-PANCAP-and-the-Decriminalizati on-of-Homosexuality ) and "The Case Against Crossdressing or Transgenderism in Guyana" (http://www.scribd.com/doc/27698238/The-Case-Against-Cross-Dressing-or-Transgender-ism-in-Guyana-UPDATED ) represents an effort to provide citizens of the Caribbean with the information they need need to make responsible decisions.
It seems unfortunate that that Mr. Greene and the UN will not be so inclined in their stewardship to their responsibility to the Caribbean people!
CITIZENS OF THE CARIBBEAN ARE AGAIN BEING BETRAYED BY "OUR DIPLOMATS"
God holds the plumb line of morality. Men can't hold it since we are always shifting. Homosexuality may seem harmless to a society, however, homosexuals are a part of our society and as such society is affected by their actions. It may not hurt anyone walking outside their houses, but what is going on behind closed doors is causing damage to those involved. They/we need the law to show us that there is really an 'alternative lifestyle' to all our deviant behaviours. Homosexuality is not a viable alternative.
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